Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Composers

WikiProject Composers

Discussion

Best Practices

Is it possible to include this group's Infobox policy in the header that appears on composers' Talk pages? A simple template like the one for controversial articles could ask editors to seek consensus before creating an Infobox. Trumpetrep (talk) 17:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Usually the articles have a hidden notice where an infobox would be, which is more obvious. Would you consult a talk page before editing and article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given how frequently reversions of Infoboxes occur, the hidden text does not seem to be doing the trick. Trumpetrep (talk) 01:48, 29 November 2024 (UTC) (Yes, I almost always check a talk page before I dive into an article that's well-maintained in order to see if the issue I've noticed has been discussed.)[reply]

Draft:William Owen (composer)

Project members may wish to assist this article in passing a draft review (it failed). Here is the subject's entry in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography so the subject is clearly notable. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Thanasis Deligiannis

As I am working on a new article for another composer in the Netherlands, the article for Thanasis Deligiannis has been waiting for about 8 weeks for a review. Would a reviewer help speeding it up? Kamien Case (talk) 15:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kamien Case, I do not have time to formally reveiew, but there are a lot of formatting errors that should be adjusted:

Opening name should be bolded (use tripple quotes ''' on both sides of the name).
Do not include birthplace in the opening parentheses.
Wikipedia articles always work in a chronological fashion
- The career section should be in opposite order, starting with older events, ending with recent
- The works list should also be in chronological order
Publication titles should be italicized
Everything should be cited. Lines such as "Deligiannis has been active as a transdisciplinary artist, director, composer, sound designer and performer in Europe, Asia and North America." are not cited at the moment.
Citations should always be after punctuation
- citations are generally at the end of sentences, so the Goebbels citation should be later in the sentence. This happens elsewhere
Do not use hyphens between date ranges, use en dashes (–)
"transdisciplinary artist" is a vague term that does not inform readers. Prioritize his chief reknown, is he better known as a composer or stage director? One of those titles should take priority.
Your citations all need to have a website or publisher listed
Discogs is not a reliable source
The difference between the biography and career sections is not clear. It would be better to interweave them
Give a translated title for ref names in Greek (in {{cite web}} use trans-title=)

This is not exhaustive, but just a sampling of issues. You need to look at other, more polished, Wikipedia articles as models. If you fix these kinds of things, reviewers will be more willing to review this article. Since it is currently missing some basic standards, its off-putting for potential reviewers. Aza24 (talk) 01:21, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I'll work on your points and polish the article. Kamien Case (talk) 12:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was following Enno Poppe's wikipedia article as a guide, which has lots of things reversed from what you write. I will follow your directions. Kamien Case (talk) 12:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've done most of the work I believe. The only way to cite the sentence "Deligiannis has been active as a transdisciplinary artist, director, composer, sound designer and performer in Europe, Asia and North America." would be to either cite his website's calendar (would that be ok though?) or find citations of presentations in various cities/festivals (but wouldn't that be too much?).

I've been checking articles like Enno Poppe's, Jennifer Walshe's, Yannis Kyriakides' etc, they all follow a different way of organising the information.

Once again, thank you for the directions. Kamien Case (talk) 18:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kamien Case, the articles you mention as examples are not exactly correct either, per say. They establish notability for their subjects, but have not been subjected to any review. For models look at WP:Featured articles or WP:Good articles. See Wikipedia:Good articles/Music#Performers, composers, and other music-related people for instance.

Occupation titles are always tricky to cite. I see that this source [1] gives "Greek composer and theater maker". You might combine that with his personal declaration of transdisciplinary artist on his website. For the lead (intro) then, maybe "Greek composer and theater makerself, self-described as a transdisciplinary artist." would work better.

Also, he is mentioned in this book [2] which seems like a high-quality reference worth using. Aza24 (talk) 22:53, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Aza24. Thank you very much for the suggestions. I’m trying to check the second link (the book) you mention but I get an error when clicking on it. Could you please check if the link is correct?

I’m trying to see what’s the most updated way the artist is referred like, checking on the same website you found, on a more recent article Deligiannis is mentioned as a “transdisciplinary artist, director and composer”. If I check a few of his pieces I see compositions, staged works, and the work at Venice Art Biennale being the most recent one, mentioned as an “interdisciplinary” work. Will spend more time on further researching references throughout the internet. Kamien Case (talk) 23:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]